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Re: Welcome to the Betterhumans tribe!
Sun, December 21, 2003 - 10:26 AMHello George,
I was wondering what you think about these new dancing robots? Do you think that, concievably, we will have problems with using these robots, and how far do you think we are from cyborgs, now that they can remain standing, throw balls, and move almost like a human? What are the possible benefits, other than safer space exploration and such? Thoughts?
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Re: Welcome to the Betterhumans tribe!
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 8:14 PMYeah, with Honda's Asimo and Sony's Qrio, robots are getting pretty darned sophisticated. And they're only going to get better as the engineering, materials, and software elements are sure to improve drastically in the coming years. It's been said that we are on the cusp of the robotics revolution. It'll only be a matter of time that, like the home computer, we all have a general purpose home robot.
As for when we can expect to see a cyborg, there's two considerations: robots that have biological attributes, and humans that have cybernetic augmentations. Both are going to happen. It's more likely that humans will start to augment themselves first, and I think that we'll see some pretty serious cyborgs as early as 20 years from now, with potentially completely cyborgized humans by the turn of the next century, if not sooner. We should start to see human-like (or biological-like) robots by the mid-point of the 21st century.
Wendy, if you like this sort of stuff, I highly recommend that you pick up a copy of Hans Moravec's book, Robot: Mere Machine to Transcendant Mind. -
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Re: Welcome to the Betterhumans tribe!
Tue, December 23, 2003 - 9:20 AMGeorge,
Thanks for the recommendation. We already see humans augmenting themselves, such as prosthetic limbs that have special buttons on the inside to manipulate the "hand" parts, wetwired hearing aids, artificial organs, and I can't remember what Carl Sagan has, but it is pretty ingenius. I watched a Nova or Discovery special on him when I was young. There is a program out there that senses your glance, and reacts accordingly, but this is still being researched and perfected. Today's science fiction is tomorrow's reality. I am amazed at the advances made simply since my grandmother was born, so I have to agree with you that by the turn of the next century, life as we know it will not be the same. -
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Tue, December 23, 2003 - 5:13 PMI'm interested in robotic/cybernetic enhancements that don't simply mimic a human function, but rather *add* or *change* the functionality of a human. We're already there in some ways, technologically/pharmaceutically; yet, I only know one or two people who have really given thought to *how* they would alter themselves were it cheap and safe to take advantage of what exists/is being developed.
Any thoughts?
It's my contention that such changes/specializations are inevitable - I foresee a time when certain jobs will require specific cyborg/cybernetic 'add-ons' and so forth. Heck - we've already been there for decades if you look at how skill sets around certain technologies have been developed - from 'typist' to 'operator' to 'digital professional'.... see what I'm sayin'? Eh? -
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Re: Welcome to the Betterhumans tribe!
Wed, December 24, 2003 - 6:45 AMLoki said:
"I'm interested in robotic/cybernetic enhancements that don't simply mimic a human function, but rather *add* or *change* the functionality of a human. We're already there in some ways, technologically/pharmaceutically; yet, I only know one or two people who have really given thought to *how* they would alter themselves were it cheap and safe to take advantage of what exists/is being developed. "
The most basic and obvious example of your point Loki is what
I call techlepathy, quantum enhanced communicative skills that not only offers vastly improved social networking possibility but real time downloading of data/skills that some are now familiar with through the movie the Matrix. For what it is worth some of us have been contemplating this for a lot longer than Hollywood.
A second obvious example from Sci-Fi lit is the group of enhancements that kept the psychological aspects of "humane" while completely discarding the physical aspects of "human" in the now very old and dated series of works by Anne McCaffery called the "Ship that Sang" series in which human minds are embodied as trans-stellar FTL ships and "Co-Captain" with their physical "Hands" of human crews.
Would you mind making your suggestion a thread onto itself? I think it is a worthy idea and I would love to not merely contribute more concepts but read the ideas others have.
For example I have the idea of creating "familiars" in which shared awareness can operate trans-species to allow us to cohabit the body of associated species like felines, canines, primates, orca, birds etc. This would mean being able to completely experience the "reality" of what the other species is experiencing through their own eyes so to speak but it would also mean an aspect of communication that is reliable across the current limits of species.
Another form I expect is to go well beyond the limits of an RC for remote planetary exploration of worlds such as the Gas Giants and build a level of direct sensory linkage into the device so that even while it is being destroyed the level of "extension" allows the operator to extract vastly more precise and important data than is possible by remote control as this would overcome the time lag. This aspect of extended awareness would also allow the operator to be far quicker in responding to condition on world and this would improve survival chances for the probe.
These are but few of the ideas I have and I suspect others have many more. See why the question deserves its own thread and focused study?
I don't want to own a dragon, I want to be the dragon.
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Re: Welcome to the Betterhumans tribe!
Wed, December 24, 2003 - 6:48 AMI anxiously await the era of personality distribution. I have chosen to expand my intelligence throughout a network of physically disconnected machine bodies; now I need technology to catch up to this bold vision. I will essentially become a nation unto myself, which may cause more primitive humans to fear me unless I take steps to prevent negative reactions.
This opens up a whole new can of worms, of course, and numerous social dynamics that we are only now beginning to extrapolate. Governments may move to illegalize XOXOX copying (distributed personalities), which would mean I would have to move quickly before precedents are set. Of course, the guage may swing the other way, allowing personalities to "rent" however many bodies in whichever locations they like with little more complexity than renting a movie from a video store. Imagine: you could rent a whole construction crew of bodies to build a new house, which you would only inhabit with one family of bodies (some of them yours, many not, others shared); you could rent one of the few bodies present on Mars to explore the red planet as a vactation....while you're busy working at your job in another body. Will there even be jobs? I suppose there must: humans need to feel productive.
Here's to finding a robot under every tree this year! [Hoists egg-nog in cheer]
Merry Christmas!
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Re: Welcome to the Betterhumans tribe!
Fri, December 26, 2003 - 7:18 PMOkay,
upon rereading these posts, I made the observation that it is unwise to post at 9 am when you haven't yet gone to bed!! I have a correction to make: Stephen Hawking......not Carl Sagan.
He has a speech syntheziser that can respond to eye movement or hand signal, and he uses this to talk and even write. (too bad that British gentleman is currently stuck using an American accent!)
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